Jerry Wennstrom Interview

Anything we do with our heart and soul becomes a spiritual endeavor, in spite of ourselves. ~Jerry Wennstrom

One of the striking features of my interview with Jerry Wennstrom is it felt we were in the same room even though we were hundreds of miles apart.  There is a sort of innocent intensity about him that charged our entire conversation. He’s at once at ease, yet serious, seemingly going with the flow, yet very precise.

Jerry Wennstrom is an artist, not a spiritual teacher, yet he is obviously a spiritual teacher.  Everyone is a teacher, he says.


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Selected Links and Notes from this Episode

  • As promised, here is the link to the day-long event with Bob Fergeson and Tess Hughes that I mentioned in the podcast: www.tatcouk.wordpress.com.
  • “It is in the defeat that the work really begins.” [4:36]
  •  “The gods whisper before they scream.” [7:00]
  • “The core of creation is to inhabit the void and to be so available that reality unfolds and you are a willing participant.” [8:25]
  • What is true individuality? [12:15]
  • Can we practice surrender? [13:28]
  • “Death isn’t death, it’s just our idea of what we would be without our identity.” [16:20]
  • Jerry Wennstrom’s book is The Inspired Heart. [20:00]
  • The difference between discipline and the fierce determination to be with exactly what is. [24:11]
  • “If I can be present enough with another human being, it’s always miraculous what comes out of it.” [24:25]
  • Creativity is not just making things.  It could also be a creative leap in a conversation, or a leap in being present with someone.  [28:29]
  • “If you look at somebody who is running from their pain, that is someone who can’t hold their discomfort.” This is why we have addictions. [35:10]
  • “You don’t control the outcome, or what you want.  You control yourself enough to stay out of the way of what’s wanting to come through.” [36:10]
  • Suicide and the transformational potential. [37:28]
  • “If we just do what we do halfheartedly, then we become a halfhearted human being.” [56:38]
  • Is there a shortcut to enlightenment? [57:20]
  • Books: A Course in Miracles, Lao Tzu, Yogananda, Memories, Dreams, Reflections.[1:05:50]
  • “If we try to copy somebody else’s way, it won’t work for us, but what we can see is the courage it took for others to follow their path.”  [1:06:45]
  • Recommended film: Paris, Texas. [1:08:55]


Norio Kushi Interview

“I’m not a teacher,” says Norio Kushi, “I’m not someone who knows something you don’t know.  Just look for yourself and see what you see.”

Norio KushiThough Norio Kushi says he is not a spiritual teacher, the story of his spiritual awakening is a fascinating one, and his advice in light of that awakening is worth considering.  Thankfully lacking in nonduality jargon, this interview with Norio is both entertaining and inspiring.  His is a remarkable story of discovery.


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Selected Links and Notes from this Episode

  • Norio’s father was Michio Kushi, who popularized the macrobiotic diet in the United States.  Norio’s mother, Aveline Kushi, founded the first natural foods store in the U.S. in 1966 in Boston, and was the first person to use the term “organic” in selling produce.  [2:57]
  • When Norio was five, his mother told him to always trust his feelings as that’s what would guide him through life. [3:53]
  • Everything we think we are has been programmed into us. [9:23]
  • The difference between feeling and emotion. [11:09]
  • Doing EST training. [32:33]
  • The recognition that “life is not going to turn out.” [33:23]
  • “We’re programmed to life for a future… and this future is a fiction…. [36:53]
  • Getting hit by “a cosmic 2 x 4.” [1:08:40]
  • The gate beyond the silence. [1:17:30]
  • Norio gives his email address and welcomes people to contact him. [1:38:26]
  • Norio Kushi on Buddha at the Gas Pump. [1:39:14]
  • Demystifyenlightenment.org is Norio Kushi’s website, though it is currently not updated.
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Jan Frazier Interview

jan frazierJan Frazier is a spiritual teacher and author of When Fear Falls Away and The Great Sweetening, among other books.  In our interview, I found Jan’s emphasis on allowing and unfolding a nice counterpoint to my usual drive to find practices and tools to speed up the spiritual search.  I hope you find this Jan Frazier interview interesting, as well.


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    Selected Links and Notes from this Episode

    • The beginnings of Jan Frazier’s conscious spiritual search in her 30s. [4:18]
    • On not thinking that awakening was possible for her. [6:08]
    • Jan’s teacher for many years, Gurumayi. [12:00]
    • The primary environment in which so-called spiritual progress is actually made is in not-knowing. [23:00]
    • Advice on handling negative emotions. [35:04]
    • Advice for getting more in tune with being in the body. [46:10]
    • Attention, consciousness, and awareness. [52:57]
    • Awareness of awareness. [57:54]
    • Sam Harris’ book Waking Up. [1:00:55]
    • “We can’t make ourselves not be reactive. All we can do is see ourselves being reactive.” [1:06:55]
    • Earnestness and the spiritual path. [1:10:20]
    • Our willingness to sacrifice or suffer anything without conditions enhances the ability of life to teach us. [1:11:30]
    • On being stuck on the path. [1:15:20]
    • After our interview, Jan mentioned that Nisargadatta Maharaj‘s I Am That is another book that she loves. [1:17:30]
    • Films that make the viewer feel very still, such as Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter … And Spring [1:18:15]
    • The consciousness of a cat…. [1:22:20]
    • Jan Frazier’s website is janfrazierteachings.com
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Spiritual Poems from Beyond Mind, Beyond Death

spiritual poemsA mini-episode with a few spiritual poems from the book Beyond Mind, Beyond Death.  If you like the spiritual poetry of Rumi, I think you’ll enjoy this.

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Selected Links and Notes from this Episode:

  • Umm, it’s spiritual poems….

The Hillbilly Sutra

My teachers were the sun, moon, stars, dirt, wind, trees, and the critters.  All of them were preaching the truth…. ~ The Hillbilly Sutra

There is a hidden spiritual goldmine tucked away in rural Tennessee.  He doesn’t consider himself a spiritual teacher and rarely speaks in public or does interviews on this topic.

Fortunately, he agreed to be on the Journals of Spiritual Discovery podcast.  When our original interview ran into technical problems, he went to a professional studio and recorded a nearly two hour account of his spiritual path and the wisdom revealed along the way.

Sit back and be transported by the poetic storytelling of this Hillbilly Sutra.


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Selected Links and Notes from this Episode:

  • “There is absolutely nothing here and everything is proof of it.” [6:00]
  • “We already know what we are, but need an intuitive shift in perception in order to recognize it.” [13:45]
  • “Desperate earnestness is the key.” [18:00]
  • Discovering A Course in Miracles. [1:04:15]
  • The Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, I Am That by Nisardadatta Maharaj, and Talks with Ramana Maharshi. [1:24:24]
  • “At this particular point in my life, the only two authorities I trusted in my quest was God and Jesus and they weren’t talking.” [1:05:30]