Jan Frazier Interview

jan frazierJan Frazier is a spiritual teacher and author of When Fear Falls Away and The Great Sweetening, among other books.  In our interview, I found Jan’s emphasis on allowing and unfolding a nice counterpoint to my usual drive to find practices and tools to speed up the spiritual search.  I hope you find this Jan Frazier interview interesting, as well.

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    • The beginnings of Jan Frazier’s conscious spiritual search in her 30s. [4:18]
    • On not thinking that awakening was possible for her. [6:08]
    • Jan’s teacher for many years, Gurumayi. [12:00]
    • The primary environment in which so-called spiritual progress is actually made is in not-knowing. [23:00]
    • Advice on handling negative emotions. [35:04]
    • Advice for getting more in tune with being in the body. [46:10]
    • Attention, consciousness, and awareness. [52:57]
    • Awareness of awareness. [57:54]
    • Sam Harris’ book Waking Up. [1:00:55]
    • “We can’t make ourselves not be reactive. All we can do is see ourselves being reactive.” [1:06:55]
    • Earnestness and the spiritual path. [1:10:20]
    • Our willingness to sacrifice or suffer anything without conditions enhances the ability of life to teach us. [1:11:30]
    • On being stuck on the path. [1:15:20]
    • After our interview, Jan mentioned that Nisargadatta Maharaj‘s I Am That is another book that she loves. [1:17:30]
    • Films that make the viewer feel very still, such as Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter … And Spring [1:18:15]
    • The consciousness of a cat…. [1:22:20]
    • Jan Frazier’s website is janfrazierteachings.com


Spiritual Poems from Beyond Mind, Beyond Death

spiritual poemsA mini-episode with a few spiritual poems from the book Beyond Mind, Beyond Death.  If you like the spiritual poetry of Rumi, I think you’ll enjoy this.

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  • Umm, it’s spiritual poems….

The Hillbilly Sutra

My teachers were the sun, moon, stars, dirt, wind, trees, and the critters.  All of them were preaching the truth…. ~ The Hillbilly Sutra

There is a hidden spiritual goldmine tucked away in rural Tennessee.  He doesn’t consider himself a spiritual teacher and rarely speaks in public or does interviews on this topic.

Fortunately, he agreed to be on the Journals of Spiritual Discovery podcast.  When our original interview ran into technical problems, he went to a professional studio and recorded a nearly two hour account of his spiritual path and the wisdom revealed along the way.

Sit back and be transported by the poetic storytelling of this Hillbilly Sutra.

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  • “There is absolutely nothing here and everything is proof of it.” [6:00]
  • “We already know what we are, but need an intuitive shift in perception in order to recognize it.” [13:45]
  • “Desperate earnestness is the key.” [18:00]
  • Discovering A Course in Miracles. [1:04:15]
  • The Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, I Am That by Nisardadatta Maharaj, and Talks with Ramana Maharshi. [1:24:24]
  • “At this particular point in my life, the only two authorities I trusted in my quest was God and Jesus and they weren’t talking.” [1:05:30]

Daniel Ingram Interview

Daniel Ingram is author of Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha and a leading proponent of Buddhism as a practical path to enlightenment in this lifetime.  He’s played a key role in keeping Buddhism vital and accessible while also grounded in the core teachings.  If you’re on a Buddhist path or thinking about exploring such, you’ll be well served by this interview of Daniel Ingram.

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  • The beginnings of Daniel Ingram’s spiritual search in his teenage years. [5:50]
  • Spiritual experiences at three years old, as well as Daniel’s experience attending a Quaker School. [7:00]
  • The impetus to begin formal meditation practice. [11:00]
  • Friendship with Kenneth Folk. [11:50]
  • The two main traditions that Daniel Ingram followed in his spiritual search — Christopher Titmus and crew, and Mahasi Sayadow — and an impressively quick recitation of nearly every retreat he attended including the Bhavana Society (Theravada Buddhism), and dashes of Kadampa Buddhism and Vajrayana. [13:30]
  • A key divergence among the traditions Daniel practiced occurred in their relationship to “the ten defilements.” Daniel found the Vajrayana model of dealing with negative emotions more optimal for awakening than the Theravada model. [19:31]
  • The meditation Daniel teaches is “relentlessly Thervadan,” but he does not use all of their maps. [22:20]
  • What’s the deal with Daniel calling himself an “arahat” and ia Enlightenment the end of the search? [23:55].
  • The distinction between Arahatship and Buddhahood. [28:55]
  • Radically restructuring his life to fit his spiritual search. [31:54]
  • Does following Daniel’s book, Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha, lead to enlightenment? Also, the high success rate of Mahasi Sayadow insight retreats. [32:46]
  • Is there a danger that following a detailed map will lead to imaginary experiences? No, because doing the practices is a self-correcting process.  [34:55]
  • Common traps on the spiritual search. Daniel’s book and Jack Kornfield’s A Path with Heart do a nice job outlining the stages of the path.  [42:42]
  • The “shadow side” of practices and how friends can help us see them. [49:00]
  • The Dharma Overground — a place for Dharma discussion with talented and experienced students and teachers. [54:20]
  • If one is tired or fidgety, how do they adjust their energy level during meditation? [1:02:00]
  • The phenomenon of Buddhist groups who don’t talk about attaining Enlightenment and how the Dharma Overground was formed to address this. [1:11:15]
  • Daniel’s view on rebirth. In short, awaken now rather than wait! [1:15:30]
  • Daniel’s list of places to go on retreat: Panditarama Lumbini, MBMC, Tathagata in San Jose, IMS in Massachusetts.    [1:16:30]
  • “Not to get all woo-woo,” but a quick word on Transmission. [1:20:00]
  • A list of useful books: Mindfulness in Plain English, A Map of the Journey, A Path with Heart, The Buddha’s Path to Deliverance, Visuddhimagga, Vimuttimagga, Wisdom Wide and Deep: A Practical Handbook for Mastering Jhana and Vipassana, In This Very Life : The Liberation Teachings of the Buddha, and Daniel Ingram’s favorite, Practical Insight Meditation. [1:20:30]
  • “I like to keep money and the Dharma as far away as possible from each other most of the time.” [1:28:07]
  • And one last book… A Comprehensive Manual of Abhidhamma (Vipassana Meditation and the Buddha’s Teachings). [1:33:00]
  • Daniel Ingram’s website is IntegratedDaniel.info

Eddie Traversa Interview

eddie traversaAustralia: land of koala bears, kangaroos, Vegemite, and enlightened Aussies like Eddie Traversa.  Eddie is in the unique position of being both a psychotherapist and awakened, which gives him a deep perspective as well as a broad tool set with which to help clients.

In our interview, he discusses why he doesn’t focus on helping people towards enlightenment, the importance of developing a relationship with the unconscious, and getting unstuck from patterns.  Along the way, we share a laugh about the motivational qualities of revenge and our fondness for the film American Beauty.

Note that Eddie passed away in 2022.  It is tragic when the spiritual scene loses an authentic teacher and friend. They are too few, and Eddie was one of the good ones. He wrote, “I am passionate about trying to help people,” and he was. That was the part of Eddie that I knew and appreciated. So hold the lessons you learned from Eddie tight, make them part of your life, and then let’s step forward into the breach and do our part to help.

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    • Eddie recounts heart attacks, romantic breakups, and wondering why he is miserable. All this misery led him to ask “how does life work?” [3:05]
    • Focusing like a “madman.” [6:30]
    • Throwing out everything he thought that worked in order to discover what was really going on with life. [6:59]
    • Exploring ESP, near death experiences, telepathy and questions about the human potential. [7:39]
    • Eddie Traversa’s favorite book is the Tao Te Ching. [8:13]
    • Asking how to become happy in life. [8:52]
    • Learning to relax and not takes things so seriously. [10:39]
    • Exploring what the mind is capable of through magic, and how this changed into a question of identity. [11:26]
    • On being an “extreme sort of guy” and living like a hermit [13:50]
    • Was it Eddie doing something, or God? [15:40]
    • Digging deeper into the question of identity. [17:00]
    • Practicing tai-chi. [17:27]
    • On going back into therapy. [19:28]
    • How a suicide attempt led him to make a vow that he would never again give up. [21:58]
    • How a teacher can lock you into a particular way of seeing the world. [23:59]
    • The importance of friends on the spiritual path. [25:03]
    • Ignorance of the ways we tell lies to ourselves. [32:50]
    • Eddie Traversa’s awakening. [36:55]
    • The reasons behind Eddie’s disappearance from the spiritual scene. [40:50]
    • The decision to start practicing psychotherapy again. [42:19]
    • Everything that comes out of an awakening in terms of the aftermath can be had by someone without an awakening. [45:00]
    • How do you teach someone to have an awakening? The success rate is terrible. [47:00]
    • Most spiritual seekers are stuck in patterns, so how can they be helped? [48:29]
    • Do we help people by offering to help them achieve enlightenment?  No. [49:55]
    • Do we need to get rid of ego? It’s more about how we manage ego. [52:50]
    • Being aware of your body and the ability to let go of unimportant things are good foundations for the spiritual search. [57:49]
    • How to develop a relationship with the unconscious. [1:03:50]
    • Eddie’s biggest advice: if you know where you are going in life you’re likely going to get there. [1:06:25]
    • Tao Te Ching is the only book you will ever need spiritually. [1:08:47]
    • Eddie also recommends Jed McKenna’s Spiritual Enlightenment, the Damnedest Thing
    • Yes, another vote for American Beauty as a top spiritual film. [1:09:38]
    • See my review of Eddie Traversa.
    • To learn more about Eddie Traversa visit edwardtraversa.com.